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		<title>By: Ernst Juenger Anarch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ernst Juenger Anarch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the ending of Eumeswil and the Great Hunt: I seriously doubt that anything as significant as the ending of a major opus could have been insignificant for Juenger. He never wasted his words. I believe it has something to do with a metaphysical hunt for the symbols or images of a new world. It is certainly not primarily a flesh and blood hunt, although this could be secondary reflection on the physical plane of the metaphysical hunt.

Regarding the differences between Storm of Steel and Eumeswil: your point is excellent and one so often conveniently overlooked by his critics. Juenger was nothing if not an author in ascending evolution, and so to judge the lifetime&#039;s work from a couple of youthful works is absolutely ridiculous. If you speak German, see in this regard also my videos on Youtube, in particular these two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xQtPCVHbSE
http://youtu.be/Ai4cBI_Mdp0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the ending of Eumeswil and the Great Hunt: I seriously doubt that anything as significant as the ending of a major opus could have been insignificant for Juenger. He never wasted his words. I believe it has something to do with a metaphysical hunt for the symbols or images of a new world. It is certainly not primarily a flesh and blood hunt, although this could be secondary reflection on the physical plane of the metaphysical hunt.</p>
<p>Regarding the differences between Storm of Steel and Eumeswil: your point is excellent and one so often conveniently overlooked by his critics. Juenger was nothing if not an author in ascending evolution, and so to judge the lifetime&#8217;s work from a couple of youthful works is absolutely ridiculous. If you speak German, see in this regard also my videos on Youtube, in particular these two:</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Carvalho</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod Carvalho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Curiously enough, I once discussed the Great Hunt with someone else – wouldn’t be you under a pseudonym, would it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. I read &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt; very recently, in the last 1/3 of July 2012 and I have not discussed it with anyone other than you.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In any case, your idea is a good one and duly noted, and when I myself have a good theory on the Great Hunt and the ending of Eumeswil, I will certainly put something to paper!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe there is nothing deep about the ending of &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt;.

Neither is Jünger a moralist, nor is &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt; one of Aesop&#039;s fables. The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that the ending was arbitrary because there was no lesson to be learned from it. The lesson is the whole book itself, since it provides a detailed taxonomy of human personalities and how to interact with them in order to maximize one&#039;s chances of survival. I suspect that when Jünger ran out of things to say, he merely terminated the book. Maybe we are trying to attribute meaning to that which was supposed to have no meaning. Or maybe not!

&lt;blockquote&gt;By the way, the ending of two other Juenger favorites are cryptic in a similar manner: the appearance of Phares, as space ship commander and “messenger” at the end of Heliopolis and Aladdin’s Problem respectively. Do you have any insights there?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Haven&#039;t yet read those. Of all Jünger&#039;s books, the only ones I have read so far are &lt;i&gt;Storm of Steel&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt;. What is interesting is that these two books seem to be the antithesis of one another: &lt;i&gt;Storm of Steel&lt;/i&gt; is a nationalistic &lt;i&gt;tour de force&lt;/i&gt; that glorifies self-denial, whereas &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt; celebrates extreme individualism. In &lt;i&gt;Storm of Steel&lt;/i&gt;, Jünger was clearly under the spell of Nietzsche and Prussian Militarism, whereas in &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt;, Jünger calls Nietzsche the &quot;Old Gunpowderhead&quot;. One book was published in 1920, the other in 1977. It is quite interesting (albeit neither surprising nor unprecedented) to witness how dramatically one man&#039;s worldview can change in 57 years!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Curiously enough, I once discussed the Great Hunt with someone else – wouldn’t be you under a pseudonym, would it?</p></blockquote>
<p>No. I read <i>Eumeswil</i> very recently, in the last 1/3 of July 2012 and I have not discussed it with anyone other than you.</p>
<blockquote><p>In any case, your idea is a good one and duly noted, and when I myself have a good theory on the Great Hunt and the ending of Eumeswil, I will certainly put something to paper!</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe there is nothing deep about the ending of <i>Eumeswil</i>.</p>
<p>Neither is Jünger a moralist, nor is <i>Eumeswil</i> one of Aesop&#8217;s fables. The more I think about it, the more convinced I become that the ending was arbitrary because there was no lesson to be learned from it. The lesson is the whole book itself, since it provides a detailed taxonomy of human personalities and how to interact with them in order to maximize one&#8217;s chances of survival. I suspect that when Jünger ran out of things to say, he merely terminated the book. Maybe we are trying to attribute meaning to that which was supposed to have no meaning. Or maybe not!</p>
<blockquote><p>By the way, the ending of two other Juenger favorites are cryptic in a similar manner: the appearance of Phares, as space ship commander and “messenger” at the end of Heliopolis and Aladdin’s Problem respectively. Do you have any insights there?</p></blockquote>
<p>Haven&#8217;t yet read those. Of all Jünger&#8217;s books, the only ones I have read so far are <i>Storm of Steel</i> and <i>Eumeswil</i>. What is interesting is that these two books seem to be the antithesis of one another: <i>Storm of Steel</i> is a nationalistic <i>tour de force</i> that glorifies self-denial, whereas <i>Eumeswil</i> celebrates extreme individualism. In <i>Storm of Steel</i>, Jünger was clearly under the spell of Nietzsche and Prussian Militarism, whereas in <i>Eumeswil</i>, Jünger calls Nietzsche the &#8220;Old Gunpowderhead&#8221;. One book was published in 1920, the other in 1977. It is quite interesting (albeit neither surprising nor unprecedented) to witness how dramatically one man&#8217;s worldview can change in 57 years!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Friedrich</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Friedrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Rod,

I was in fact uncertain when I wrote you - I suspected that you wanted me to write something, but I was hoping you meant yourself! It is certainly more interesting to me to hear someone else&#039;s views. 

Curiously enough, I once discussed the Great Hunt with someone else - wouldn&#039;t be you under a pseudonym, would it?

In any case, your idea is a good one and duly noted, and when I myself have a good theory on the Great Hunt and the ending of Eumeswil, I will certainly put something to paper!

By the way, the ending of two other Juenger favorites are cryptic in a similar manner: the appearance of Phares, as space ship commander and &quot;messenger&quot; at the end of Heliopolis and Aladdin&#039;s Problem respectively. Do you have any insights there? Please feel free to write privately if prefered.

I also appreciate your comments on the various character types, which I have never analysed in that perspective.

Cheers,
Simon]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rod,</p>
<p>I was in fact uncertain when I wrote you &#8211; I suspected that you wanted me to write something, but I was hoping you meant yourself! It is certainly more interesting to me to hear someone else&#8217;s views. </p>
<p>Curiously enough, I once discussed the Great Hunt with someone else &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t be you under a pseudonym, would it?</p>
<p>In any case, your idea is a good one and duly noted, and when I myself have a good theory on the Great Hunt and the ending of Eumeswil, I will certainly put something to paper!</p>
<p>By the way, the ending of two other Juenger favorites are cryptic in a similar manner: the appearance of Phares, as space ship commander and &#8220;messenger&#8221; at the end of Heliopolis and Aladdin&#8217;s Problem respectively. Do you have any insights there? Please feel free to write privately if prefered.</p>
<p>I also appreciate your comments on the various character types, which I have never analysed in that perspective.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Simon</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Carvalho</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod Carvalho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Herr Friedrich,

I did not make myself clear in my first comment. To clarify: I was not requesting that you allow me to write a guest post on your blog, I was merely asking you to consider writing a blog post yourself on the topics I suggested. I have read &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt; only once, not enough times to attain a deep understanding of it.

Venator&#039;s death and the Great Hunt are indeed cryptic. Jünger writes in metaphors, but I do not understand what he wanted to convey with that ending, which I found anticlimactic. I was expecting the book to end with a coup d&#039;état, Condor being murdered, and Venator fleeing to his bunker in the forest for a year or so. The Condor was killed, indeed, but Venator&#039;s forest flight never happened.

In &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt;, each character represents a kind of person. The book seems to be a taxonomy of human personalities, with all their quirks, weaknesses, and flaws. Venator&#039;s father and brother represent the democracy-loving Liberal. Nebek, the aggressive Lebanese, represents the warrior, I suppose. Kung represents the &lt;i&gt;petit bourgeois&lt;/i&gt;, I presume. Dalin represents the anarchist, and it seems to have been created only to contrast with Venator, the anarch.

If you could write some more on your blog on &lt;i&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/i&gt;, I would certainly be most grateful.

PS: I removed the part of your comment in which you wrote your email, to protect you from spambots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herr Friedrich,</p>
<p>I did not make myself clear in my first comment. To clarify: I was not requesting that you allow me to write a guest post on your blog, I was merely asking you to consider writing a blog post yourself on the topics I suggested. I have read <i>Eumeswil</i> only once, not enough times to attain a deep understanding of it.</p>
<p>Venator&#8217;s death and the Great Hunt are indeed cryptic. Jünger writes in metaphors, but I do not understand what he wanted to convey with that ending, which I found anticlimactic. I was expecting the book to end with a coup d&#8217;état, Condor being murdered, and Venator fleeing to his bunker in the forest for a year or so. The Condor was killed, indeed, but Venator&#8217;s forest flight never happened.</p>
<p>In <i>Eumeswil</i>, each character represents a kind of person. The book seems to be a taxonomy of human personalities, with all their quirks, weaknesses, and flaws. Venator&#8217;s father and brother represent the democracy-loving Liberal. Nebek, the aggressive Lebanese, represents the warrior, I suppose. Kung represents the <i>petit bourgeois</i>, I presume. Dalin represents the anarchist, and it seems to have been created only to contrast with Venator, the anarch.</p>
<p>If you could write some more on your blog on <i>Eumeswil</i>, I would certainly be most grateful.</p>
<p>PS: I removed the part of your comment in which you wrote your email, to protect you from spambots.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Friedrich</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Friedrich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For sure, Rod, in particular your view on Venator&#039;s death would interest me - the Great Hunt, certainly a mysterious element in the book. Of course I have to reserve the right not to publish on my blog - but then you always have your blog anyway.

Something on Dalin would also be interesting - in contrast to the anarch?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure, Rod, in particular your view on Venator&#8217;s death would interest me &#8211; the Great Hunt, certainly a mysterious element in the book. Of course I have to reserve the right not to publish on my blog &#8211; but then you always have your blog anyway.</p>
<p>Something on Dalin would also be interesting &#8211; in contrast to the anarch?</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Carvalho</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod Carvalho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 21:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t need to thank me. After all, I did not post this here to please you ;-)

I have read a number of posts on your blog, mainly those on the distinction between the &lt;em&gt;anarch&lt;/em&gt; and the &lt;em&gt;anarchist&lt;/em&gt;. I do not know if you accept requests, but would you consider writing a post on the ending of &lt;em&gt;Eumeswil&lt;/em&gt;, i.e., on Venator&#039;s death? Also, I found Knut Dalin a fascinating character, and it would also be interesting to write a post on his destructive nature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need to thank me. After all, I did not post this here to please you ;-)</p>
<p>I have read a number of posts on your blog, mainly those on the distinction between the <em>anarch</em> and the <em>anarchist</em>. I do not know if you accept requests, but would you consider writing a post on the ending of <em>Eumeswil</em>, i.e., on Venator&#8217;s death? Also, I found Knut Dalin a fascinating character, and it would also be interesting to write a post on his destructive nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernst Juenger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ernst Juenger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this! Don&#039;t know many others that know this marvellously wise book of Juenger&#039;s - it is the bible of Juenger&#039;s wisdom for me.

Unfortunately Eumeswil is ridiculously expensive on Amazon - over $300! 

But I found a great download of it on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.4shared.com/office/ngQI_S0_/eumeswil_download.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4shared.com&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this! Don&#8217;t know many others that know this marvellously wise book of Juenger&#8217;s &#8211; it is the bible of Juenger&#8217;s wisdom for me.</p>
<p>Unfortunately Eumeswil is ridiculously expensive on Amazon &#8211; over $300! </p>
<p>But I found a great download of it on <a href="http://www.4shared.com/office/ngQI_S0_/eumeswil_download.html" rel="nofollow">4shared.com</a>.</p>
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